Friday semi-open thread.

In yesterday’s chat, I was asked to name the first ten players I’d put into a restarted Hall of Fame, and came up (off the top of my head) with these names:

Babe Ruth
Ted Williams
Honus Wagner
Walter Johnson
Cy Young
Lefty Grove
Mickey Mantle
Rogers Hornsby
Rickey Henderson
Warren Spahn

The question of today, of course: Who would be your ten, using only actual HoF-eligible players and not giving it too much thought or research? (Since I answered off the cuff, I’m asking all of you to do the same.)

I’ll also throw a link up here when the Mike Leake piece is posted.

Comments

  1. Ruth
    Williams
    Hornsby
    Cy
    Walter Johnson
    Musial
    Mays
    Cobb
    Foxx
    Matt Weiters

  2. Sorry, just kidding on Weiters, last one is Hank Greenberg

  3. Keith, if you want to let people know how to get to your chats, when they are on the ESPN home page, scroll over the Sportsnation link at the top, and wait for the drop down. After that, click on chats, and then all of the chats are listed by day. Yours is there at Thursday, 1 pm. Not quite sure what they would do if you did a different day or different time since you haven’t done that yet on the new ESPN setup, but that’s how I find yours and it seems to be pretty reliable.

  4. Reading comprehension isn’t what it used to be. Other than the people who were joking some added Bonds, Clemens, Maddux, etc. They are not yet eligible.

  5. I did miss that. Gehrig instead of Pujols, then.

  6. Babe Ruth
    Ted Williams
    Willie Mays
    Jimmie Foxx
    Honus Wagner
    Rickey Henderson
    Ty Cobb
    Mickey Mantle
    Barry Bonds
    Albert Pujols

  7. Wow that was harder than it looks. I typed that up without reading everyone else’s, then looked back to see who I missed.

    Players that you could add to my list and get no argument from me: Stan Musial, Walter Johnson, Lou Gehrig, Hank Aaron, Jackie Robinson, Joe DiMaggio, Rogers Hornsby, Ken Griffey Jr.

    There’s just too many good players to make a top 10 list.

  8. Also I read selectively.

  9. Stephen Benzel

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Walter Johnson
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Hank Aaron
    6. Honus Wagner
    7. Cy Young
    8. Stan Musial
    9. Ty Cobb
    10. Eddie Collins

    Mantle and DiMaggio aren’t close. 18 and 25 maybe.

  10. Stephen Benzel

    A few players who haven’t been mentioned yet but should are Mel Ott, Cal Ripken, and Nap Lajoie.

  11. I know we’re all talking opinion here, but take a look at Mantle’s baseball reference page when you get a minute. He didn’t have the longevity of most of the guys on this list, but his peak was as good as anyone’s.

  12. On second thought, since the list doesn’t ask for the ten best MLB players of all time, but asks for the 10 players most deserving of HOF enshrinement. So I’ll happily take out the racists Hornsby and Cobb and replace them with Jackie Robinson (doesn’t deserve it on actual performance, but probably deserves it more than anybody else for actual impact on the game of baseball, and society) and Satchel Paige (who almost certainly would deserve it if enough people had been paying attention and keeping track of Negro League games).

  13. Stephen Benzel

    Well, longevity counts. And I don’t think Mantle’s peak was as high as people think, nor was his fielding as good as people think. He was about as good as Tris Speaker, and well behind Mel Ott. Comfortably top 20, but not in the top 10 discussion.

  14. Only leaving Bonds/Clemens out as they aren’t yet eligible.

    1. Ruth
    2. Mays
    3. Aaron
    4. WJohnson
    5. Wagner
    6. Cobb
    7. Young
    8. Musial
    9. Henderson
    10. Lajoie

  15. Babe Ruth
    Walter Johnson
    Honus Wagner
    Ted Williams
    Lou Gehrig
    Rogers Hornsby
    Rickey Henderson
    Cy Young
    Lefty Grove
    Warren Spahn

    I’m surprised how many pitchers I ended up with.

  16. Off the cuff, I came up with (1) Ruth, (2) Gehrig, (3) Hornsby, (4) Musial, (5) Cobb, (6) Young and (7) Johnson without giving it much thought. I’d probably throw (8) Aaron, (9) Mays and (10) Matthewson in as the final three.

  17. On ESPN’s MLB page, just scroll down and you’ll see a box with links to all MLB Chats (at least, that’s how I found yesterday’s chat).

  18. My ten:

    Ruth
    Mays
    Gehrig
    Ted Williams
    Cobb
    Cy Young
    Mantle
    Wagner
    Hornsby
    Bonds

    wow, that’s difficult, I’ve had to leave out so many.

  19. Ruth, Mays, Williams, Schmidt, Wagner, Morgan, Gehrig, Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove, Stan Musial.

    Like everyone else, I don’t feel great about the list. And, like everyone else who tried to include all the positions, I was surprised to realize there isn’t an obvious candidate for Greatest Catcher.

  20. oops, that’s right, Bonds isn’t eligible yet. I’ll replace him with Walter Johnson. Or DiMaggio. Or Spahn. Or Grove. Or Mathewson. Or….

    Just based on numbers, what is the rationale not to include Lou Gehrig (for those of you who excluded him)?

    And Pujols, someday,if he keeps going like he has. But I just can’t find room for Rickey or Musial.

  21. Greatest catcher = Yogi Berra?

  22. 2&For: $5 for Sizemore.

  23. Ruth
    Williams
    Aaron
    Mays
    Hornsby
    Musial
    Walter Johnson
    Cy Young
    Mantle
    Satchel Paige

  24. No particular order:

    Ruth
    Cy Young
    Jackie Robinson
    Ted Williams
    Hank Aaron
    Walter Johnson
    Lou Gehrig
    Willie Mays
    Honus Wagner
    Ty Cobb

    For what it’s worth, I asked the original question during Thursday’s chat, so my list has gravitas.

  25. Building on Joe’s comment noting the propensity towards old-timers, I’m going to consciously try to pick players throughout the century (otherwise off the top of my head):

    Ruth
    Wagner
    Johnson
    Williams
    Mays
    Spahn
    Morgan
    Schmidt
    Henderson
    And, umm… Hornsby

    I don’t know my late 60s to early 80s players all that well, so not sure about those picks.

  26. Williams
    Ruth
    Young
    DiMaggio
    Mantle
    Robinson
    Mays
    Aaron
    Henderson
    Ripken

    As a 25-year-old, when I think “BASEBALL”, these are the first 10 names that came to mind of Hall-Eligible cats. Not the most scientific approach, but seems to basically be a balance between the “legends” and the guys of my youth. Nolan Ryan almost slipped in there at #11.

  27. Babe Ruth
    Honus Wagner
    Ted Williams
    Jackie Robinson
    Willie Mays
    Hank Aaron
    Lou Gehrig
    Warren Spahn
    Walter Johnson
    Christy Mathewson

    If we weren’t limiting it to currently-eligible guys, Bonds would definitely be on there, and at least one of Maddux/Pedro.

  28. Honus Wagner
    Willie Mays
    Babe Ruth
    Josh Gibson
    Oscar Charleston
    Walter Johnson
    Christy Mathewson
    Jackie Robinson
    The Mick
    Ted Williams

    And I know that it’s premature, but I’d get you into the writers’ wing ASAP 😉

  29. To get to the chats, I bookmarked this link:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?page=ChatArchiveIndexHome

    It refreshes each week and if I hit the refresh button every fifteen minutes, it doesn’t take up too much bandwith while I’m at work.

  30. Bored of reading the same 10 guys, mostly because I don’t care about guys I haven’t seen with my own two eyes (or something):

    Troy O’Leary – Subjective viewing is the only true measure of the man and I saw hit hit a granny one time;
    Carl Everett – No such thing as dinoaurs in my HoF;
    Spike Owen – dude seriously had ‘Spike’ on his baseball card;
    Rickey said that Rickey totally belongs in Rickey’s own wing;
    Ty Cobb – just for the spike sharpening thing, that’s playing the right way, David Eckstein;
    Dock Ellis;
    Dizzy Dean – allegedly dude once made his outfielders sit on the mound while he pitched an inning;
    Jimmy Dugan- imagine if he never set that hotel fire and had to jump out of the window;
    Vin Scully;
    Dr. Frank Jobe.

  31. Spike Owen is his birth name.

  32. rfs: yup. I actually knew that. When I was 9 he got traded to the Red Sox and I started collecting his cards. I did not then realize it wasn’t a nickname (though thanks to nostalgia and baseball-reference I checked him out a couple years ago). He is still the only player that I have a decent collection of non-mlb cards. (in fairness, my collection is all of 3 or 4 years from when I was 8-12 or so). I can still remember buying this card for a dime.(image not mine) http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/mpappagallo/?action=view&current=Spike_Owen_83TCMA.jpg
    I thought it was the best thing ever. Sadly 46hr and a career 83 era+ keeps him out of any hall of fame but the one in my parents attic.

  33. ah!!! that’s “ops+” of course. Where is the edit feature?

  34. Babe Ruth
    Ted Williams
    Willie Mays
    Walter Johnson
    Lefty Grove
    Ty Cobb
    Honus Wagner
    Micky Mantle
    Cy Young
    Hank Aaron

  35. Hi Keith,

    Not sure if this more of chat question but why no Willie Mays on your top 10?

  36. There was no “why,” Barry. I just went off the top of my head – didn’t look up any stats at all.

  37. missed this:

    Babe Ruth
    Honus Wagner
    Lefty Grove
    Willie Mays
    Ted Williams
    Christy Matthewson
    Ty Cobb
    Walter Johnson
    Satchel Paige
    Mickey Mantle

  38. Ha, apparently all you need to do is pose an open question and you can get a Posnanski number of comments, Keith.

    Let’s see what I have off the top of my head:

    Babe Ruth
    Honus Wagner
    Willie Mays
    Ted Williams
    Hank Aaron
    Tom Seaver
    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Lou Gehrig
    Joe Morgan

  39. Babe Ruth
    Honus Wagner
    Walter Johnson
    Ted Williams
    Willie Mays
    Stan Musial
    Sandy Koufax
    Rogers Hornsby
    Yogi Berra
    Rickey Henderson

  40. Ruth
    Williams
    Aaron
    F Robinson
    Mays
    Mantle
    Musial
    Matthewson
    Henderson
    Cobb

  41. Stan Musial
    Ty Cobb
    Hank Aaron
    Babe Ruth
    Willie Mays
    Walter Johnson
    Ted Williams
    Lou Gehrig
    Rogers Hornsby
    Cy Young

  42. Have to say I’m shocked that Mathewson has so many responses, while not one person has mentioned Pete Alexander.

    My list (not actually ordered)
    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Walter Johnson
    3. Tom Seaver
    4. Lefty Grove
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Honus Wagner
    7. Cy Young
    8. Ted Williams
    9. Josh Gibson
    10. Lou Gehrig

    Aaron and Alexander were my next two, I think.

    I was shooting for a mixture of modern and older players, included Gehrig and Young largely for their iconic status, and Gibson to represent the Negro Leagues because he’s the only NgLer to have a pretty strong argument to being the best at his position. (Others may be in the discussion, such as Paige, Charleston or Lloyd, but it’s a lot hazier).

  43. I’m sure someone is tabulating results here…have we established a dish commenters’ inner circle?

  44. Ted Williams
    Babe Ruth
    Walter Johnson
    Cy Young
    Willie Mays
    Harmon Killebrew
    Frank Robinson
    Nolan Ryan
    Rickey Henderson
    Jackie Robinson

  45. Babe Ruth
    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Ty Cobb
    Honus Wagner
    Jackie Robinson
    Willie Mays
    Ted Williams
    Mike Schmidt
    Lou Gehrig

  46. Mantle
    Ruth
    Aaron
    Johnson
    Gehrig
    Cobb
    Young
    Berra
    Mathewson
    Henderson

    10 off the top of the head is tough isnt it.

  47. wow have to replace Berra with Williams.

  48. F it, even though it’s too late to be counted, I like reading my own words (sorry, anyone who happens upon this and doesn’t care).

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Warren Spahn
    4. Hank Aaron
    5. Roberto Clemente
    6. Ted Williams
    7. Mickey Mantle
    8. Lou Gehrig
    9. Rickey Henderson
    10. Bob Gibson

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